Update late afternoon 27th: Wendy has captured this video of the first chick!
And here's a screengrab of the chick being fed captured by Jean White:
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Avid web cam watcher Wendy Bartter captured this super video clip yesterday morning (Thursday 27th April) which shows one of the four eggs with a hole in it and two very excited parents!
That egg hatched during the day and the others with luck, within the next 2-3 days!
That egg hatched during the day and the others with luck, within the next 2-3 days!
And see this close up of the eggs, a screenshot taken by Laura Tooth:
The project team
The project is managed by Derbyshire Wildlife Trust in partnership with Derby Cathedral, Derby City Council and Cathedral Quarter
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| The central red egg has a hole in it,,,,early 27th April |
The project team
The project is managed by Derbyshire Wildlife Trust in partnership with Derby Cathedral, Derby City Council and Cathedral Quarter
162 comments:
I sent some picks via email too when female eventually moved for male
Hi Scoobie, good to know that you are watching & capturing some pics!
Here is quite long vid of Mum finally letting Dad take over, can see hole in egg quite clearly
https://youtu.be/JOBpqG6k4JA
Can just see a bit of the chick's egg tooth in your pic Laura, hope we see a little fluffball soon!
Is anyone else having trouble with the cameras today? Mine are not working.
@ 13.03 there was quite a tusssle as Dad wanted to take over incubation & Mum didn't want to let him, she won!
https://youtu.be/wX6j7iypSVk
He didn't fly off, just perched then tried his luck again ten minutes later, still didn't win!!
Looks like the chick is partially out of the shell now.
Certainly some faint cheeping sounds audible.
Thanks Helen, just saw eggshell ... Dad really pushing her but she still won't let him on the eggs!
My cams have been ok Anonymous, what browser are you on?
Poor Dad is absolutely desperate to see what's happening & Mum won't let him still ... he is now lying beside her at back of scrape! Lol
I can just see the chick moving around underneath her now. How amazing!
I saw the chick moving when Mum sent Dad packing.
Can hear the little cheeping sounds too....
Probably too cold and wet for her to let us see chick yet. Will keep watching :-)
So pleased you have had views Helen & Jean, bit difficult to get any pics though, I saw some 'fluff' & eggshell on cam #2 very fleetingly!
Thank you Wendy. It's always a magical experience watching them hatch.
Just seen the first chick.
Also just seen the first chick, got a screenshot but don't know how to put it on here...
Finally Mum lets Dad see First Chick
https://youtu.be/CDLTgEt_fko
Cannot post pics on here Anonymous unfortunately but can be uploaded to Derby Peregrines Flickr page
Hopefully someone on here can give you a link!
Thanks, no need now, your video is much better!!
She still won't let him incubate!!
Amazing! Thank you so much for capturing those special moments.
It's interesting to see that the first chick to hatch is from one of the red coloured eggs, which means that it was either the third or fourth egg to be laid. I wonder which one will hatch next? The reaction of the new male bird has also been very different this year. He has certainly been taking a very close interest in the hatching.
Think Dad just brought in some food for chick, Mum wouldn't budge so he's flown with it!
I had gone back to see the order eggs were laid too Helen & noticed same as you, hope this doesn't mean those first two pale ones are infertile?
Mum has just discarded that brown eggshell the chick came out of!
I see that Dad is perched on the ledge, obviously Mum doesn't want to move ... she must be getting rather hungry by now, I have only seen her leave the scrape once & then she wasn't gone for long!
Hi Danielle, pleased to hear that you have enjoyed this special day, hopefully we'll see some more lovely fluffy chicks over the next day or so!
There is a large piece of egg shell visible next to mum can't see if it's a second chick. The colour is white but that may be the night vision ?
First chicken being fed at 0730. Other eggs still look whole.
Just watched chick being fed.
Have put photo’s on Flickr
Well done Wendy!
Many thanks for updates Anonymous & Jean, have just viewed Jean's pics on Flickr, such a cute chick, shame I missed it live!
Thanks Emma, will try to get more vid footage today, helps folk who have to work plus others who are generally too busy to watch often!
Dad just came in with food but stayed on ledge eating it, never brought into scrape for Mum to feed chick & then flew off with it! Strange!
Looked on cam #2 and can see that Mum has pulled in the empty shell to incubate with the rest ... thought she would have eaten it by now?
Blogger Scoobi19 said...
Im always up at silly hour n have a watch 😊
27 April 2023 at 11:20
Blogger Scoobi19 said...
11.15am female finally gave in and let male take over
27 April 2023 at 11:20
Blogger Wendy Bartter said...
That's good to hear Scoobi, I was asleep by then, hopefully she had a good feed!
28 April 2023 at 11:28
Footage of Dad bringing in prey, eating it himself then Mum doesn't take it
https://youtu.be/yEMyd8cSLu0
Full length vid of second feed @ 12.31 to study actions of both parents as they eventually join forces to feed their chick
https://youtu.be/BJHjOj63JdU
Mum just refused another changeover @ 13.57, Dad sat on ledge!
I thought the lone chick would get fed @ 16.15 but Mum & Dad so erratic with food & incubating this time
https://youtu.be/Y5X2TI9uQ4U
Btw, the empty eggshell is now pushed against back of scrape, not visible on cam #1
Can't see any cracks or pips in remaining eggs
@ 19.11 Dad brings prey, Mum eats most of it, chick does not get fed again
https://youtu.be/2Le-N_NJWx4
There has been a changeover and Dad is incubating, he's very fidgety, makes me wince when I see how much the eggs, & chick, are ground into the gravel!
Has just flown & Mum comes in!
The Chick seems to have filled out and gained feathers/fluff since yesterday. But yes Wendy seems to be not treated so well - lets hope its a little toughy and is OK !
Chick fed at 07:45, lovely interaction... trying to work out how to share screenshot!
Hi Anonymous, so pleased to hear you saw chick being fed this morning, like you I do hope that feeds are better from now!
Link to take you to our Flickr page where you can upload your pics
https://www.flickr.com/groups/derbyperegrines/
Dad just popped in at 10.30, no food, took a quick look then flew off!
Photos now now on Flickr! Anna x
Great captures thanks Anna, was good to see such a big sized prey, have all been weedy bits before!
Mum just left nest hopefully to get some food, no more hatches unfortunately, chick is moving a bit but not very strongly!
Chick is yelling loudly now, must be starving, is being fed now thank goodness!
Mum came in with food at 12.53 (cam clock is fast), feed went on for another four minutes after end of this vid (lost cam) but luckily came back just at end of feed!
https://youtu.be/61urZJOlqpg
Chick fed again @ 15.27 ... did he get enough?
https://youtu.be/NHLTFwzmNSQ
More food @ 17.24, chick had trouble with a big bit
https://youtu.be/OJ_VfpxXcQQ
Hi everyone, having watched this falcon with her primary incubation, where I didn't feel she appeared that confident I am just wondering could this be a new falcon as well? She seems to me to be keen but not confident? I know that for the first 3 years of life there are ways to identify a young bird although I am certainty not skilled enough to do this! Is this a first time young mother? Sorry I will probably now be proved very wrong! Chris M
Chick fed at 12.24. It had some but I thought it may have liked more. Chris M
Definitely was a very short feed Chris, wish they would persevere a lot longer ... maybe you're thoughts on immaturity are valid, am sure someone from project team will give their thoughts on the matter!
I'm inclined to think that it is the same female because of the relatively unusual colouration of the eggs. She seems to have a pattern of laying pale, almost white eggs, followed by the more typical reddish brown colour for the remainder of the clutch. Difficult to say for certain though.
Lunchtime feed, not really enough IMO
https://youtu.be/yWPkdUu-EDg
After the feed Mum comes back & pushes Dad off eggs/chick
https://youtu.be/bnTY2pxh-AE
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The chick has just had a fairly good feed. First a few bits of meat given by the male, followed by quite a few more pieces given by the female. Can't see any pips in the other eggs at the moment.
Sorry Jay, your links do no work, it's not possible to post pics to this blog, they can be posted on Derby Peregrines Flickr page, here is the link
https://www.flickr.com/groups/derbyperegrines/pool/
Thanks for that info Helen, good to hear chick has
eaten again!
thanks wendy
There is a better looking feed going on right now, prey a decent size, hope Mum perseveres for longer than of late!
Not really very good but can see chick has decent sized crop!
Here is footage of the feed at 16.39
https://youtu.be/lyraobdN8lw
Another feed now, at least they're pretty frequent, not sure chick is demanding enough to keep their attention, maybe just not hungry??
Some egg shell visible on the platform that I have not noticed before. Chris m
Yep agree could be No 2....
I think that is the shell from first chick, it got pushed to the back of the scrape & gets moved around from time to time ... of course, I hope I'm wrong & there will be a second chick!
Still only one chick!
She is extraordinarily fidgety which makes me wonder what's going on underneath her??
Still only one chick, which has just been fed, but didn’t seem to get much food!!
So now we have gone from not leaving it with dad to leaving it fully unattended for nearly 10 mins that I have been watching! It's rather chilly in derby today and the chick keeps calling which makes it an easy target as a prey item !! I suspect mum may be very hungry. Chris m
It is beginning to look as if the remaining eggs are not going to hatch but let's give them another day or two.
The thinking now is that the female is a new bird as well as the male - so an entirely new pairing. That might explain the later egg laying and the somewhat inept feeding behaviour of the female.
Ed Drewitt, the national urban peregrine expert, on seeing a screenshot of the female said:
It looks like a younger bird, perhaps just coming into her 3rd calendar year. As you say, very brown, although not immature feathering. I do find adult females have a more sandier hint to their grey whilst males are a much darker black-grey.
The project team
Certainly is acting like a female with first eggs/chick, not a patch on last year's female who was extremely adept at feeding multiple chicks! Hope she ups her game very quickly although, going on Jean's observation of this morning's feed, it hasn't happened yet ... yesterday's formula of little but often may save the day? 🤞🤞🤞🤞
Still no feed since early this morning that I've seen ... here is Mum picking all round gravel, is it to aid digestion or simply bored with waiting for prey to be delivered?? Eggs disappointingly whole!
https://youtu.be/OC56ilhHNvs
Just seen her eating the hatched egg shell
See her eating egg shell, is that from first chick or a new one.
Dad just brought prey which Mum tugged from him, she is offering bits to chick but she doesn't bring food close enough making it difficult for herself to reach chick's beak!
It's the old shell, still just the one chick!
She's flown with the prey already, i fear for that poor chick!
Better feed going on now but it's agonising to watch!
12.15 feed, a few feathers too!!
https://youtu.be/VtH_6JYiq4o
There's a hole in one of the pale eggs, Mum picking at it!
Ah - I've not seen that myself, so well spotted, Wendy!
Two glimpses of the hole
https://youtu.be/jWEVC6fJ0p0
Let's hope mum eats the egg pretty quickly I have been dreading the chick getting it all over it! Chris M
Unless of cause it is about to hatch I had already given up on that! Chris m
Me too Chris, did think the hole revealed yolk rather than chick, but hope I'm wrong
Another feed at 16.10, at double speed, still not enough patience with making sure chick gets enough
https://youtu.be/BW4O_GH8eOA
Another feed just started!
Parents in tug o' war over prey, chick just yelling for food! Getting painful to watch, I think Dad flew off with most of it, Mum feeding chick now!
I agree, Wendy. Neither parent seems to quite know what's involved in feeding their youngster. Looking at the chick, I'm feeling that others in past years were much larger than this tiny thing by now. This latest feed at 17:45 involved both parents bring food to the scrape, then scoffing most of it themselves in front of the wailing chick. It did finally get some, but not very much, TBH.
Meanwhile at Salisbury Cathedral three have hatched with one egg still intact.
https://www.salisburycathedral.org.uk/discover/peregrine-falcons/peregrine-live-webcam/falcon1/
Today was the first time this year I've looked at the cameras and comments. Last year was so exciting to follow. This year seems a bit concerning for the new pair. Hope things improve.
Currently I am hoping that there isn't another hatch, goodness knows how this inexperienced pair would manage!
They both seem very clumsy with the poor chick, trampling all over it! Hope their parenting skills improve soon
They are not very careful with their chick are they Clare?
All previous years at this site have been exciting & engrossing, my favourite but this year so far is causing a great deal of anxiety!
We can only hope that things start improving tomorrow, hope the early feed is a good one, will any of you be up to see it?
Many nests have four hatched already including Worcester Cathedral, Sussex Heights Brighton and Taunton but they have lost one early on!
Lots more all over UK just starting hatching!
Thought this would be a good feeding session this morning ... not a chick bashing incident!!
https://youtu.be/GAolVr4vS2g
Chick just fed. The prey item looked very small and there did not appear to be much meat left on it. Both mum and chick seemed very hungry. It did not seemed satisfied by the amount given then, Then mum took it away. The weather should be OK for hunting. Chris m
Here is that feed @ 13.28
https://youtu.be/Cjb6jX2DrFc
Neither of them bring in any substantial prey ... is this because they keep eating most of it before it gets to their chick?
Another feed going on, Mum tussled with Dad for the prey!
Here's the 15.11 feed
https://youtu.be/DpoSInaSows
At last, there is another feed happening!
Long time since the previous one at 15.11!
Yep!!! and pic on flickr.
Can I see I hole in one of the white eggs?
OMG! No idea or patience, Mum flew off with prey ... shall be very lucky if this little one survives! Is back now snuggling it ... am shouting at the screen by now, it needs food!!!
Gets worse, Dad comes back with prey, tearing off little bits trying to feed a chick he can't see cos Mum won't shift off it!!
Here is that very short feed @ 20.00
https://youtu.be/9Hg_9b5o3po
0700 wed 3rd May. Male flew in with half eaten carcass, nothing for chick.mother flew off back at 07.02 no food.
Chick give a little more food! I came in part way through however the chick was still actively seeking more as the falcon few off with the carcass. This item also seemed to have little meat on it and the falcon was taking some for herself. Chris M
Feeding 8.50am approx.
10 minutes. The adult was very attentive to the chick and fed it every time a sensible small amount came off the carcase. Very persistent in offering food to the chick. If the chick didn't take the food first time it was offered again until it was taken - sometimes half a dozen offerings of the same piece of food.
The chick was lively and was also persistent in taking the food. The adult did feed as well when the bits torn off were too large for the chick. It's just as important that the adult feeds too. Generally, the female would be anchored to the eggs and chick for long periods of time so she's also dependant on what the male brings in to a large degree.
Seemed pretty normal to me.
Thank you do much for reassuring us all . Chris m
Many thanks Chris and Dave for your observations on the early feed ... have seen chick during a recent changeover and it looked very lively, a much better scenario than I was expecting, should be another feed soon!
A very much better feed @ 13.42 (longish vid at 2x speed) went on for about 15 minutes!
https://youtu.be/isHj2Td1YLg
What's happening with the remaining ages? Surely they won't hatch now will they?
What's happening with the remaining eggs? Surely they won't hatch now will they?
You can see egg with hole in this vid but nothing came of it!
Both parents brought in prey @ 17.16 but not sure chick got enough? (2x speed)
https://youtu.be/1PxzaiGX1gk
Is it a hole in the egg or is it natural markings/differences in colouration? It's difficult to tell on camera but it can also be seen on the close up photos of the egg on the blog post. I wasn't sure.
See what you mean Helen, have posted a pic on Flickr!
Another session where parents both had prey but not for the chick, very sad!
https://youtu.be/jtjwSXWqovs
Sorry Helen, pic not on Flickr, couldn't upload it!
Dad flew in with prey, Mum jumped up & wrestled it off him, she then flew with it! Has come back without it & settled on her weak looking chick!
Just had my first view of the chick looking quite lively, extremely windy day, Mum's feathers lifting very high, hope chick can withstand the strong wind when exposed, see also fresh prey bits so hoping chick got a decent feed!
Mum flew off for quite a long break, just returned but no prey!
13.45 Dad's feeding skills appear to be improving and chick got a good 5 minute feed with a fair amount of meat taken. Dad looks like he's getting better at perseverance!
Chick was well fed at 13.44, lasting a good 5 minutes, mother returned at 13.52.
Thanks Anonymous, if only they could feed like this more frequently
https://youtu.be/7vhJrGJTMZc
Glad the chick has been fed.I had visions of Wendy sbseiling down to the rescue lol.
Hahaha, you'd wait a very long time to see that ... I'd send Nick M in my stead!!
Thanks for your comments Clare, I agree that Dad is much better at feeding than Mum, maybe there's hope yet?
Think of it this way.
Supposing we still had the two "expert" adults from last year. And supposing all 4 eggs hatched. How much of each kill would each of the four chicks be getting ? Average 25% which could easily be diluted if the female understandably had to have her share now and again so that could be 25% of 90%. That might be less than this year's sole chick is getting from the inexperienced adults. A pigeon divided by four may not add up to a great deal.
In reality though, there would likely have been one dominant chick getting much more than 25% so the other three would be getting less than the average. Would that also have been more than the single chick has been getting ?
It probably would be the case that expert Dad would have brought in a kill more often but overall is the result fairly even ?
Imponderables but food for thought (pardon the pun).
The new chick has no competition at present which will boost it's chances of coming through quite a bit.
If the other three eggs hatched then all bets are off.
Definitely food for thought Dave, biggest problem here as I see it is that they are not bringing in food often enough at present ... other nests I have been watching with experienced parents are seeing up to six/seven meals per day!
Their habit of eating prey on nest without feeding chick is definitely hard to watch!
Has anyone else lost cam #1?
Hi Wendy, I have cam #1 on Windows and iPad but not MacBook!
When I was watching 4.30 am yesterday morning, mum flew off and almost kicked poor chick over the edge....
Fortunately it managed to get itself upright again and mum was back within 5 minutes and pushed it back into place!!
I really thought chick was going to fall.
Fortunately got cam back in time to see anotber feed at 16.56, seems Dad is doing the honours again
https://youtu.be/L0WXfmrE_aA
More prey just brought in!
Ooh Jean, bet that was scary to watch, thank goodness it didn't fall!
More prey @ 18.73 (2× speed)
https://youtu.be/QKXwStiEpY4
Excuse typo ... 18.23!
I switched on at 06.02 chick was on her own. Parent came back at 06.08 with carcass. Chick was fed. Parent left with carcass at 06.22, returning at 06.25.
Is there only 1 chick still? If so....why?
I've been following this years family on the cameras, fascinating. Ì struggle to work out which bird is the male and which one is the femail. Any easy way of telling the difference?
We know the male is a different bird from last year because he doesn’t have a ring but is the female the mum from last year? Sorry if this has already been discussed I don’t see every post.
Hi Emma, we think the Mum is a newbie judging by her inexperience at feeding the chick, learning on the job!
Anonymous, thanks for report of early feed, sounds as if a good one! The male bird is quite a bit smaller than the female, called a tiercel meaning a third of the size, his white chest is clear of marks, his feathers are a darker grey, his yellow parts much brighter & has smaller feet!
Scoobi, eggs may not be fertile or embryo may have failed to develop or may have died during the hatching process!
Some footage of Mum constantly picking at s rape floor, hungry or bored waiting for male to bring prey, chick looks stronger, preening his chest, have seen him twice now aiming poos at tbe back wall! Lol
https://youtu.be/9pYrHr_rsrM
Mum just flew off, she has a broken/missing tail feather!
Feed going on now, Mum & Dad both have prey, shows the size difference between the two parents!
Dad flew with his prey, Mum feeding chick but she definitely doesn't have as much patience, she has flown off with prey already ... such a long time since last feed, chick definitely needed more IMO!
Here is that 12.23 feed
https://youtu.be/NJATskA21tM
Just seen front view of chick as Mum has flown and it actually has a visibly full crop, is getting mobile and has made it's way into back near corner, just gone out of sight so don't panic!!
Mum is back and puzzled by chick in that position! Covering the eggs but looking over her shoulder at chick! Is trying to mo e chick under her!
Thanks Wendy. Maybe if they’re both young parents it’s just as well only one egg has hatched and the baby has more chance of a good survival. Just come in from work and looks like I’ve missed all the action again! 🤣
You're right Emma, much better for them to only have one to practice on ... I did a vid of chick wandering & Mum's reaction so folk wouldn't miss it!
https://youtu.be/SdFq7fqCiCE
Feed going on now, think it's Dad!
Feed @ 16.18, chick grabbing food better & can eat bigger bits
https://youtu.be/KdlHw2eG07o
More food at 17.48
https://youtu.be/FC51EPQM52k
Chick is full up, refusing food from feed going on now! Parent keeps offering but chick turned away! That's good news!
Now Dad has brought more prey & trying to feed chick whose half under Mum who's trying to pinch the food! Can't see chick now as Mum's head is in the way!
What will happen to the eggs?
Chick being fed again now, parents really have got their act together today!
Chick gets a Coronation feast this morning (longish vid in real time)
https://youtu.be/D2IDEcK-oe8
Dad flew in with prey @ 12.32, eating it himself, Mum doesn't challenge so he flies off with it!
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