It was all cracking off at the cathedral earlier this afternoon just before 2 pm. With what looked like the female on the nest platform, the other adult repeatedly flew around the tower, not calling, but often veering off to range far out across the River Derwent to the east before returning again. It looked like he was carrying food but seemed reluctant to land with it.
Suddenly, a third peregrine arrived on the scene and pretty soon all three were in the air. It was hard to see which was which, but pretty soon the interloper disappeared. Interestingly, one adult then flew back to the tower, landing in a very small alcove on the top left-hand side above the bell tower louvres. This tiny space was precisely where, back in 2006, our peregrines first made a futile attempt to nest and which resulted in the Cathedral permitting us to install the tower ledge platform for them.
Soon after that both birds left the cathedral and headed out eastwards, rapidly disappearing out of sight.
It's encouraging that they can still both easily be seen from below even when it may appear that one, or indeed none, are visible in our web cameras.
Since mating was observed on 15th March, our pair of peregrine falcons, with its new female, seem to have been constantly teasing us all. It seems that on many nights, one or other of the adults has often spent at least a few hours roosting on the frame of the old nest platform. As yet we've no evidence that either bird has visited the new nest box that we finished installing in early March. Obviously this is quite frustrating, although it's still fairly early on the their breeding cycle, and it's heartening how many of you have been monitoring our webcams closely in the hope of spotting or hearing a visiting bird. And many of you have left a wide and really interesting range of comments, questions and observations.
We're slowly getting used to the new sounds heard over the camera's inbuilt microphone. Most noticeably, we hear the constant slapping of the flagpole cord against the tall fibreglass flagpole. Then there's the wind noise and the banging of the framework against the stone parapet which sometimes sounds like the scrabbling of claws over the woodwork. But, as yet, this hasn't proven to be so.
Earlier this week, Andrew Brooks sent us the photo below of a peregrine perched on the stone parapet near our new box, which is certainly a positive sign!
The Project Team
This project is managed by Derbyshire Wildlife Trust staff and volunteers with great support from the Cathedral staff and the city council's IT team.

Thanks for the update Nick - am following things closely with all fingers crossed!
ReplyDeleteThank you Nick for all that observation very much appreciated, when many of us are so far away. Tis indeed frustrating after everyone's work in endeavouring for them to have a safe alternative, as you say there is still time, we hope they will soon investigate. Andrew thank you for the Photo that is also good to see and appreciated.
ReplyDeleteOne at home enjoying the view
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean the box is moving or have I misinterpreted? "banging of the framework against the stone parapet"
ReplyDeleteCould the intruder of forced them to find the nest box????
ReplyDeleteI would have thought they would have seen it already, but are just wary of something new put there by humans. That's how they survive. After all plenty of humans don't have wild bird existence as a positive, especially larger birds. I love pigeons, magpies, crows and seagulls but plenty don't, and have stupid names like flying rats etc for them.
DeleteI see there are some slate/stones on the new nest. How did they get there?
ReplyDeleteI put them there, Phoebe!
DeleteJust saw we have one home. I'm not sure since when.
ReplyDeleteFlew away...
DeleteA few late visits today, was extremely quiet until 16.33 ...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/jEzPhfjWzJM
One home bright n early
ReplyDeleteStill there in the usual place
ReplyDeleteTook off a few minutes ago, I came back now and she’s back having brunch! 😄
ReplyDeleteHere's footage of male bringing in food for his beloved ...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/25pk02Xd95E
Second egg at St Albans
ReplyDeleteWoking has a clutch of 5 eggs - here is a link to the timing of laying https://www.wokingperegrines.com/timeline/ . A link to the nestcams https://www.wokingperegrines.com/ . Birds are busy(?) incubating.
ReplyDeleteback at 13.48 having a good spruce up!
ReplyDelete4 eggs at Norwich cathedral.
ReplyDeleteIs that the girl calling right now?
ReplyDeleteLooks a little blustery
ReplyDeleteThat flipping wind strength got me all excited again when I saw that the slate pieces were in different position thought one of our pair had visited ... grrrrrrrrr
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/lXF645REQG4
Did she just attack the pigeon perched below, or am I seeing things? lol
ReplyDeleteyep, she went for the pigeon, she'd been yelling to no avail for a while so decided to do it herself!
DeleteOoooh, missed that, just logged back on to see her disappear!!
DeleteStill two pigeons on the crenellations!
ReplyDeleteDid she fall in the river or something? ðŸ¤
ReplyDeleteOops, forgot to change the username.
DeleteIt was raining there for a while plus she could have bathed somewhere but didn't look soaking wet to me
DeleteI see!
ReplyDeleteAnother quiet day up til 14.35, just a few in & out visits ...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/njYo3cd0xnY
thanks for that - I've not managed to spot them at all today! Maybe they go somewhere a bit more sheltered from the wind.
DeleteJust checked through later recordings and couldn't find any more visits, most unusal!
DeleteEarly bird looking about
ReplyDeleteA little late but both were there around 07:36. Managed a quick screenshot!
DeleteDid you upload it to flickr Jo?
DeleteSorry it took so long, my partner and I wasted a lot of time fumbling with the website.
DeleteIt’s uploaded now (I didn’t know we could post on the website’s album!).
Oh and we usually zoom in on them for more peregrine-per-screen lol, but it’s possible to see the time stamp on the phone.
Thanks for that pic Jo, just had a look!
DeleteAt home busy preening
ReplyDeleteAnd just flown away
ReplyDeleteBack again!
ReplyDeleteThey sitting eggs somewhere but where it will be on the cathedral not sure i could tell earlier when one ov them was pruning itsself they must av just changed over on eggs
ReplyDeleteTrust me ive raced pigeons nearly all my life
But dont get me wrong i love birds of prey and nature is nature
It was me who said make shift the old floor for this year
The team have already said there is nowhere else for them to nest around the cathedral area, that's why the original platform was put up, they want the new box to work so they don't have to abseil to the nest platform every year. Where do you think they've found to nest that they've never found before?
DeletePruning is what is done to trees and plants! It is 'preening'.
Deletejust flew off!
ReplyDeleteOn & off visits throughout the day including one long stay, lovely as it is to see our pair I do wish they would hurry up and find the new box!!
ReplyDeleteSome footage of a couple of visits before 10.00 ...
Deletehttps://youtu.be/e81uRYMwnhU
Listen my friend they will av found somewhere lets not forget the original box been there init since 2012 so thats home to them
ReplyDeleteScaffold was invented for jobs like changing the old box lets not forget it been no good since last November
They probably laid eggs under the new box who nos but home to them is the old box an they dont like change
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DeleteHi anonymous. We don't think the new female has found somewhere else to lay. If she had, I don't wouldn't be seeing her around and about the tower as much as we have. Nor would scaffolding be the solution to either replacing the old platform built from new materials, or even removing it. Could you imagine the cost, the impact and the enormity of it?
ReplyDeleteThe only reason we installed the first box back in 2006 was because we could tell there was nowhere on the tower that offered sufficient space to allow them to lay and to raise chicks. Had there been, we'd simply have left them to it.
We have no way of knowing whether or not this new female (- she replaced the last one that died of bird 'flu back in late December) would have successfully bred this year had the original platform still been in place.
I agree with you to some extent about not liking change. Back in early March someone on my street had mesh installed around their solar panels after well over six years of pigeons nesting under them. There were six pairs there, and two are still around, unable to nest, but still tied to the site. But the urge t breed is strong, and there's still time. What's frustrating is that we've not seen a shred of evidence that the new box has yet been visited which, to be honest, we are quite surprised about. But there' still time, and nothing more we can do. So we'll just have to watch and wait and let nature take its course.
I was wondering if any towns or cities have 2 pairs of Peregrines nesting and what their usual 'range' is, ie: do they defend their territories?
ReplyDeleteHi Shirley. Yes, peregrines will defend their territory when an intruder passes through - whether another peregrine or a different species like buzzard or red kite. I wrote about one such incident in the latest blog post. In small towns and cities, the number of peregrines is probably limited by the amount of nesting opportunities available on tall structures. Londond has the densest population fo urban peregrines. I'll give you a link to download a report on them, but a relevant quote from page 194 is as follows:
ReplyDelete"Originally the size of a Peregrine’s territory in Inner London was between five and eight square kilometres (two and three square miles). With the number of tall structures to nest on and the abundant food supply (primarily the Feral Pigeon) these territories will get smaller with the increasing density of the population. At the moment, there are already
two pairs which nest just under 1.5 kilometres (1 mile) from each other and both pairs have bred successfully in the same year. In Inner London, especially north of the river Thames, there is room for further pairs of Peregrines to establish territories."
Full report here: https://lnhs.org.uk/images/publications/LBR2014/LBR2014_The_Peregrine_Falcon_in_Inner_London.pdf
Hi Nick M ive read your comments i rest my case now when i said about scaffold i was looking at a quick solution for new for old in the same place thats all then the next 20 years would av been trouble free for the peregrines and loads of chicks YIPPEE
ReplyDeleteAnyway thanks again Nick for your advice
You're welcome, Anonymous. TBH: we did consider (and still may) construct a weather resistant, longer lasting platform out of a modern plastic material. But, as we explain in the link below, the very high cost of commissioning a direct, bespoke replacement, and the timescale we had to work in simply ruled that out for this year. Certainly, I know I won't be fit and strong enough in another ten years to abseil down again to install a replacement, and that goes for our brilliant friend and carpenter, NickE, who built the last two for us, but who felt unable to build a third one this time around. (None of us are getting any younger!)
DeleteIf we commission a weather resistant like-for-like replacement we would need to raise some serious money. So, looking for an alternative, easier to manage option to keep our wild peregrines nesting here at the Cathedral still seems the best option, even if we do find we miss a season. I'd love to get inside the head of a peregrine and understand what they're thinking (Nearest I've got to that is jumping out of an aeroplane and appreciating what it feels like to drop through the air at high speed!) More details on our rationale here: https://derbyperegrines.blogspot.com/2026/02/time-for-change.html
(Note: I have deleted a previous comment from another user as there's really no call for insulting replies to genuine questions)
Probably a stupid question, but could one not be made for their old favourite spot using a 3D printing machine? Shouldn't need as much maintenance, and am sure you could get help from younger abseilers in future, if need be...
DeleteCheers Nick im 68 now and ex army take care my friend an lets hope our peregrine buddies will be back as Arny would say lol
ReplyDeleteCouple of quick visits this morning and only stayed for 8 minutes this evening at 18.15, has anyone else seen more?
ReplyDeleteNot seen them at all today
ReplyDeleteNothing here. 😔
ReplyDeleteThe female is currently perched.
ReplyDeleteShe's still there
ReplyDeleteAnd still here now catching some rays
ReplyDeleteJust left now.
DeleteI genuinely feel that if they fail to find somewhere this time around, it may be the last time we see them at the site, due to the fact that its use for a nest site has vanished.
ReplyDeletei do understand costings etc play a huge part of the reason as to why the original site wasn't used again, however with huge companies in Derbyshire, i feel the cost would of been easily written off, i also understand that for the current team who do an amazing job btw, lets not forget that... the long term thought process of and i quote, "i will not be fit or strong enough to abseil down in ten years" is a very closed off ideology, other people will of course of stepped in by then and would be more than capable of this task, i just feel a little deflated that more wasnt done in a quicker fashion to resolve this so as we could keep seeing these amazing birds within our city for years to come. i expect either this will not be posted or I will receive a lot of hate for airing my views, but as someone who comes to view these birds daily, to help my MH i feel its all coming to an end.
I agree. I think everyone who has posted this year seems a bit down hearted. It's a shame. I feel for the team who have taken a lot of negative feedback. Fingers crossed that they find the new box in the future or a completely new pair decide to move into it in the future.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if it is the boards at the entrance of the box that are putting them off. They may be more confident to enter if it was all gravel in the future.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posts about seeing our birds early in the day ... I haven't been around so much today and on checking the recordings that I managed I wasn't lucky enough to capture any images ! Better luck tomorrow hopefully
ReplyDeleteEarly bird looking about
ReplyDeleteHaving a good preen at 5.25pm first time Ive caught any in a while
ReplyDeleteOne been on old platform for 12 mins. A quick visit from second one before flying off
ReplyDeleteHere's some whizzy footage of the visit from 17.17 til 18.01 ...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/OOhErnclgiY
Not Anon, just me!
DeleteBeen so quiet today
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering whether the appearance of the third peregrine early April has had an effect on the current couple, and whether the third one has been seen again since in the vicinity.
ReplyDeleteIt's unlikely to have affected them, Shirley (assuming that the intruder didn't oust the new female - but we've no evidence that that happened!). The intruder was probably just passing through, as happens quite frequntly nowadays, though I've not heard any reports that it' - or another intruder - has been seen again. But we'd need eyes on the ground all the time to be able to answer that question.
DeleteI wonder if the cleanliness of the area, pale wood walls (not stone coloured) and blue gravel is making them weary.
ReplyDeleteI think the new box should be left in position (as much as it can with roof repairs) and if this pair don't like it another pair might in the future when it'll be a fixture for them that they're used to seeing. This is just one year, there's loads of years when it could be used. It's not fair to sit online complaining that people don't particularly want to abseil down a cathedral, I wouldn't want to either. There are also plenty of other nestcams to watch if that brings you pleasure.
ReplyDeleteThanks Anonymous for such a really helpful comment. Much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteThere are indeed many other live web cams and not just on peregrine nests.
We'll blog about the various options shortly.
Hi i wonder is there new female peregrine laying eggs yet?
ReplyDeleteNo signs yet, Kelly. As far as we can tell she's not layed somewhere else. It could be that the new female, despite being seen copulating on 15th March, simply isn't mature enough to lay eggs this season. However, she doesn't look like a sub-adult, so we really don't know the reason. From past experience in 2006 when we first instelled a nest ledge for them (on 5th April 2006), it was the male who seemed to find it first, and was observed calling to her from there. She appeared on the ledge a week or two later, if I remember rightly. But back in that first year there were no cameras, of course.
DeleteHaving a preen :)
ReplyDeleteand flew off
ReplyDeleteAw, missed it again.
ReplyDeleteHere's the visit Jo & all ... Only visit I saw today before being taken over for updates I couldn't put off any longer!!!
Deletehttps://youtu.be/JjUvFte9G-U
Just watched, thanks Wendy.
DeleteOnly way I can keep tabs on them when I fail to catch them online. 🥲
Hi Nick my name is Dave instead of anonymous im not sure how to change it yet
ReplyDeleteYes you got a good point there the new female might not be geared up to lay eggs if shes still young
My racing pigeon hen birds dont always lay eggs in there first year of life
Anyway Nick take it easy my friend an keep up the good work
Aha!! One is home~
ReplyDeleteI was just about to say that :)
DeleteFlew off
ReplyDeleteI thought she was settled in for a longer stay ...
Deletehttps://youtu.be/E5Krar0RJus
Very helpful video from Leamington Spa Peregrines showing differences between males & females ...
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/Dd4cw27X28I?si=UCkfDtf8g5jawq_C
Click enter comment and it's next to comment as and you can change it there 😊
ReplyDeleteis that a feather blowing around the nesting box?
ReplyDeletePLEASE POST NEW COMMENTS TO THE NEW BLOG POST RATHER THAN THIS OLD ONE. THANKS
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