tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post4809259718864017737..comments2024-03-28T16:23:15.216+00:00Comments on Derby Cathedral Peregrine Project - 2024: Watch Points begin this weekendPeregrine Project Member (Nick M.)http://www.blogger.com/profile/08206815980511978659noreply@blogger.comBlogger153125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-16203511591030587142010-05-18T11:21:14.679+01:002010-05-18T11:21:14.679+01:00I had a look through last year photos and, given t...I had a look through last year photos and, given the first chick hatched on the same day, our chicks this year seem noticeably smaller. Perhaps the team, when they have time could comment, as to the likely reasons. Could this be general health, different feeding pattern or of no importance. For convenience, I attach a link here.<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/38500597@N07/3546930302/<br /><br />TwwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-22278234509929614532010-05-17T23:49:43.175+01:002010-05-17T23:49:43.175+01:00@ Anon 22:18 post - As far as we know this is the...@ Anon 22:18 post - As far as we know this is the same pair that have been at the catherdal since the webcams were put up a few years ago, they do not leave the area all year round. The second chick is still alive and being fed even though it has a problem what is happening this year with the poorly chick is new to us all.<br /><br />This is a very experienced pair of peregrines that have successfully reared chicks every year. The chicks are being fed regularly and are growing and from what I see they are doing a good job of rearing their young - how you can say they "don't seem to have their heart in it" is most odd. The other two chicks so far appear to be thriving. I have not seen a more attentive falcon given the situation before her.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-84131814437133065472010-05-17T22:18:04.444+01:002010-05-17T22:18:04.444+01:00It all seems very sad. Looks like the second chic...It all seems very sad. Looks like the second chick is not going to survive (or may be already dead). Do we know if these are new parents? Have been watching the peregrines at Chichester Cathedral and London webcams and note that both parents bring in constant food for their babies. These Derby ones don't seem to have their heart in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-83233971794203746522010-05-17T21:39:50.129+01:002010-05-17T21:39:50.129+01:00It is very sad to see and hear of the problems the...It is very sad to see and hear of the problems the Derby birds are having this year. One dead, one struggling for life - where will it end ! We all get attached to these birds - its something Derby can be proud about which makes them so important. It is commonly said nature should be left to fend for itself - survival of the fittest so to speak but man has a major impact on wildlife far beyond what nature can cope with and at times I do wonder if at times like this man should lend a hand to repay some of its debt.Simon, Blagreavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-32344820403680479042010-05-17T21:33:18.255+01:002010-05-17T21:33:18.255+01:00The project team has been discussing the current s...The project team has been discussing the current situation at length this evening and phoning various experts to try to get a better idea about what may be wrong with the chick.<br />We now have various strategies in hand depending on whether the chick survives or dies.<br />As has been said many times before, this is nature that we are observing and we do not intend to try to intervene and rescue the poorly chick - these are not pets or zoo animals. <br />Similar scenes are being acted out, unseen, at peregrine eyries on cliffs, quarry faces, church towers and pylons even. The only difference here is that we are observing nature at work.<br />While birds try to maximise the number of progeny they produce, various factors intervene to stop them. These include natural things such as disease, parasites and predation and more recently, unnatural, deliberate persecution by man and also accidental interference as a byproduct of our impact on the planet - things such as the effects of pesticides, collision with wild turbines and many others.<br />As with TV film crews, the harsh reality of nature is brought direct to us and we need to watch it being played out dispassionately and resist the urge to intervene and help out everytime we see something struggling to survive.<br />Only occasionally should we intervene - usually to counteract some human influence. <br />So, when young peregrines come to ground at fledging, we feel justified in rescuing them rather than watching them get run over by a bus or car.<br />In the case of our chick, we suspect that it may have picked up some parasites, perhaps worms in its guts. These will weaken it and alter its behaviour. It may recover or it may die....we must just watch and wait to see the outcome.<br />If we can discover the cause of the chick's death, then we will consider whether to attempt to treat the remaining chicks when we ring them in a few days time.<br />Many decisions remain to be taken as events unfold. We hope that blog readers and commentators will bear with us as we steer a course through the next few days. <br />We do apologise for not keeping you updated as regularly as we would like. The project is not run on a shoestring exactly, but those involved have other pressing work and commitments which means they can't devote the whole of their lives to this project. Please bear with us.....<br />The Project teamThe Project Teamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-48680133488558117552010-05-17T21:01:46.913+01:002010-05-17T21:01:46.913+01:00He is on his back again but looking more alert. O...He is on his back again but looking more alert. Oh please, let this little chap survive. Of course, it has to be a boy - the girls are always stronger. This has been the first trial we Derby Peregrine watchers have had to endure and I am sure we are all suffering the same pain. We know nature can be cruel, but to our babies!!!!!Midgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264212961278846658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-41092319727839689732010-05-17T20:58:32.445+01:002010-05-17T20:58:32.445+01:00Sorry I hadn't sent this picture to the Derby ...Sorry I hadn't sent this picture to the Derby pool here it is again for those who could not see it.<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/38218115@N05/4615877029/in/pool-derbyperegrinesPhoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-60302715697476201442010-05-17T20:37:45.584+01:002010-05-17T20:37:45.584+01:00I have been through my screen captures from this a...I have been through my screen captures from this afternoon and found this one: <br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/38218115@N05/4615877029/<br /><br />where I can clearly see the poorly chick in an upright position and being fed! He is the one closest to Mum...Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-45879778401166907172010-05-17T20:31:28.198+01:002010-05-17T20:31:28.198+01:0020.28 It looks as though the chick is up and bein...20.28 It looks as though the chick is up and being fed. Difficult to absolutely confirm though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-34475720750909191342010-05-17T20:21:48.426+01:002010-05-17T20:21:48.426+01:00Katie - In Peregrines a brood size of 3 or 4 is co...Katie - In Peregrines a brood size of 3 or 4 is considered normal. Exceptionally 5 may appear. When it does the parents have to put in serious overtime and unless prey is abundant and easily acessible the chances of all 5 getting to flying stage are remote.John B (not the sloop)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-33258265643110293152010-05-17T20:12:28.502+01:002010-05-17T20:12:28.502+01:0020:09
3rd chick has moved. Has it righted itself?...20:09<br />3rd chick has moved. Has it righted itself?KerrySuffolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11215130373373317060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-78309921953719910062010-05-17T19:51:16.198+01:002010-05-17T19:51:16.198+01:00Now, looking straight back to camera, his head app...Now, looking straight back to camera, his head appears to be resting the wrong way round on Mums wing. The miracle seems a long way off.Midgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264212961278846658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-29361157263591724462010-05-17T19:38:48.083+01:002010-05-17T19:38:48.083+01:00Oh, please God, the little chap has just righted h...Oh, please God, the little chap has just righted himself. What a fantastic mother our peregrine is. She has tended this chick with such avid devotion all day. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all her attention paid off. I am realistic enough to know that it probably won't but she deserves for this chick to survive.Midgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264212961278846658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-12019583275529547702010-05-17T19:09:28.123+01:002010-05-17T19:09:28.123+01:00Mum is still nursing the poorly chick, she has her...Mum is still nursing the poorly chick, she has her back to the other two and is keeping the little one warm. I'm pretty certain it won't survive though, it's been on it's back now for over 10 hours and can't have been fed during this time either. It's such a shame, and something we're not used to, having watched them rear all their other clutches to fledgling stage & beyond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-38472603105427762072010-05-17T18:54:09.325+01:002010-05-17T18:54:09.325+01:00Looks like mum is trying to nurse the poorly one, ...Looks like mum is trying to nurse the poorly one, where is the male in all this ?? Has he been seen lately, has something happened to him ?? God forbid !! Can anyone from the project team give us any answers ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-64706189389986217722010-05-17T18:54:09.326+01:002010-05-17T18:54:09.326+01:00Mom (or Dad?) had some prey off in the corner, and...Mom (or Dad?) had some prey off in the corner, and when she was off the little one I could see that the latter was trying to right himself.<br /><br />Mom is still trying to help it, either tried to feed him or touching beaks, and now she is cuddled over him again.<br /><br />I wonder if some bird expert out there might guess as to what would cause an inability to get off his back? General weakness? A skeletal deformity? Poor guy...Karen Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13306986336556283751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-88336828945635457932010-05-17T18:41:36.118+01:002010-05-17T18:41:36.118+01:00Another feed!Another feed!Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-5757885743232245682010-05-17T18:17:01.183+01:002010-05-17T18:17:01.183+01:00The adult took away the feed-carcass at around 18....The adult took away the feed-carcass at around 18.00 hrs, the returned to lean over the stricken chick, moving it slightly and 'protecting' it with wings. The other 2 chicks are cowering in a corner now - 18.07. The adult seems concerned for the prone chick and does not seem to show signs of giving up on it right now, but without video streaming, it's difficult to tell if the movement is caused by the adult or the chick itself. I think the chick is still alive and moving it's legs around, but not sure. Not good though.Tom Stephensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979590950587415840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-61625080746485148412010-05-17T18:13:19.644+01:002010-05-17T18:13:19.644+01:00I cannot watch any longer, it is so sad but good l...I cannot watch any longer, it is so sad but good luck to Mr & Mrs P, the two remaining chicks and the project team xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-83279970049649743762010-05-17T18:09:05.644+01:002010-05-17T18:09:05.644+01:00I really thought mum was feeding the poorly chick ...I really thought mum was feeding the poorly chick to the other two chicks a minute ago - and it was still alive ! She was stood over it and appeared to be pulling at it and then turning to the others to feed them. Then suddenly she was on the platform edge with a large white prey item in her left foot, it definately had a green ring on it's leg, she then flew off with it - and the poorly one is still there, alive. So sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-66854646661770150202010-05-17T18:00:42.282+01:002010-05-17T18:00:42.282+01:00Wish we could see what's happening, mum flew a...Wish we could see what's happening, mum flew away, came back but can't work out if she brought food, she has her back to us, the two big chicks are in the left hand corner and can't see but guess that mum is trying to feed the poorly chick, I'm sure it is still alive. poor little beggar it is having a slow death, wonder if it is poison or genetic?? Have the project team members any idea and can't they do anything to help?? I know we cannot interfere with nature but it seems so cruel to sit back and do nothing - feel helpless and upsetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-72033193386552861482010-05-17T17:54:21.906+01:002010-05-17T17:54:21.906+01:00i must say although it is part of nature watching ...i must say although it is part of nature watching this is very frustrating as you just want to help or end the suffering!<br />but i agree it is natural and if this baby was to survive may not flourish into a good hunter.<br />does any body know how large the broods normally are i remember when i last watched the pereguines around 3 years ago they only had two. 4 seems large brood so naturally some may not survive however please enlighten mekatienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-39402724138198649782010-05-17T17:51:08.829+01:002010-05-17T17:51:08.829+01:00Tea time for the peregrines I can't see if the...Tea time for the peregrines I can't see if the chick on its back is being fed but I would think that it will be.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-55107295489070150542010-05-17T17:48:51.426+01:002010-05-17T17:48:51.426+01:00The poor little chick is breaking my heart. I wond...The poor little chick is breaking my heart. I wonder why the mom can't turn him over.Demelza, New Yorknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-15831248593022868202010-05-17T17:40:02.089+01:002010-05-17T17:40:02.089+01:00That poor little thing has been trying to get up a...That poor little thing has been trying to get up all day, it's so sad to watchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com