tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post3366727747661240728..comments2024-03-28T16:23:15.216+00:00Comments on Derby Cathedral Peregrine Project - 2024: Picture PerfectPeregrine Project Member (Nick M.)http://www.blogger.com/profile/08206815980511978659noreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-27443273816172618342010-05-13T12:23:49.853+01:002010-05-13T12:23:49.853+01:00The chicks are a bit of a handful today!The chicks are a bit of a handful today!Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-27839559939045595422010-05-13T10:57:44.282+01:002010-05-13T10:57:44.282+01:00By now, the chicks should be able to regulate thei...By now, the chicks should be able to regulate their own body heat and start to become more active. That's probably why the chicks and the adults are more fidgety. In any case, they grow so fast that it becomes more and more difficult for the adults to tuck them all underneath, especially for the smaller tiercel.<br /><br />Won't be long before they start wobbling about on their new legs and exploring the scrape.<br /><br />For those worried about the feeding, I think it's normal for the frequency to decrease as they grow. These are experienced parents and there should be no shortage of available food in the area. If there were, it's highly unlikely the falcon would have laid 4 eggs.Terry, Herts UKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08581540633600423284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-41755513709931998712010-05-13T10:28:33.771+01:002010-05-13T10:28:33.771+01:00Feeding time.Feeding time.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-45840253960894632972010-05-13T09:47:09.141+01:002010-05-13T09:47:09.141+01:00Oh - panic over - it just stood up! Must have bee...Oh - panic over - it just stood up! Must have been having a nap. Phew...Tom Stephensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979590950587415840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-10039013695857106772010-05-13T09:45:31.098+01:002010-05-13T09:45:31.098+01:00A second chick looks pretty lifeless to me this mo...A second chick looks pretty lifeless to me this morning (09.43). And thanks for the comment about info - I am sure the team are as ham-strung as us.Tom Stephensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979590950587415840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-72109503009678263682010-05-13T09:44:19.120+01:002010-05-13T09:44:19.120+01:00The chicks are really shifting about this morning,...The chicks are really shifting about this morning, I think the falcon is shielding them from the sun.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-29182021638842288162010-05-13T09:23:13.573+01:002010-05-13T09:23:13.573+01:00@ Tom - the photo link posted by Anon shows the fa...@ Tom - the photo link posted by Anon shows the falcon removing the chick from the scrape I followed it with the next capture where the falcon had left the nest, there was a capture in between the two of the falcon on the ledge ready to push off, I was watching and got the snapshots in sequence I did not see the falcon land on the tower after removal and she came back quickly - the chicks did not have a feed until quite a while later, the feed was a much bigger item - I doubt there would be much to eat from a small chick. It could well be that the parents ate it but doubt it was captured on video.<br /><br />@Karen - take a look at the photos posted by Marski101 (that's me).Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-44166011054681900952010-05-13T08:56:01.794+01:002010-05-13T08:56:01.794+01:00Am I being paranoid but the chicks don't seem ...Am I being paranoid but the chicks don't seem to move as much as previous chicks. I think we are all looking for the worst senario now. I do hope not.<br /><br />Keep it up Mrs P<br /><br />I know its work for the team but could we have a more up to date picture as we come on the blogs please.Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06891653350017964582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-81972812800127321382010-05-13T08:38:21.097+01:002010-05-13T08:38:21.097+01:00I wonder why that chick at the front is not being ...I wonder why that chick at the front is not being 'tucked in' ? or am I being paranoidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-5705128951969588932010-05-13T08:22:20.321+01:002010-05-13T08:22:20.321+01:00The adult seems to be very anxious about the chick...The adult seems to be very anxious about the chicks after feeding this morning, constantly checking them all. I'm sure these cold frosty mornings in Derby don't help, as they take so much energy from the chicks just to keep warm.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02676437256384894910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-8426318698855358762010-05-13T07:32:34.820+01:002010-05-13T07:32:34.820+01:007.30am, feeding time7.30am, feeding timePax(Canada)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-58785843682219247162010-05-13T01:37:47.450+01:002010-05-13T01:37:47.450+01:00I'm not sure what that photo is actually showi...I'm not sure what that photo is actually showing, if it's the chick being removed or something else.<br /><br />But as horrifying as the idea of using the chick for food is, there is another viewpoint. When you get as old as I am, you think about death, and what a good death is. Some time ago it crossed my mind that being eaten by a wild animal (hopefully after being killed instantaneously :-) would be a way to go that is beneficial to the planet. Presuming the animal got away.Karen Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13306986336556283751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-33193443214734448322010-05-13T00:52:37.132+01:002010-05-13T00:52:37.132+01:00Here's your answer Tom. http://farm5.static.fl...Here's your answer Tom. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4601266275_90060bb255.jpg<br /><br />I don't think the Team have access to any more than we do until they go up into the cathedral tower and check the video recorders. And that takes time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-80417305323946900502010-05-12T22:28:52.612+01:002010-05-12T22:28:52.612+01:00OK, I understand that you do not want contentious ...OK, I understand that you do not want contentious comments, but since you have the footage, why not answer the questions about what happened to the dead chick's corpse? Is that so much of a problem?Tom Stephensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05979590950587415840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-27485558216341432072010-05-12T21:03:19.888+01:002010-05-12T21:03:19.888+01:00Apologies from the team for the lack of blog mode...Apologies from the team for the lack of blog moderation recently. We’ve all had other commitments to attend to this week and then, globally, Blogger suffered comment moderation problems earlier today, with other blog owners reporting difficulties.<br /><br />We have seen the news of the death of one of our chicks and appreciate everyone’s comments and photos and will try and post something further on this soon. It would be very unusual for all chicks of any species to survive to reach adulthood. Indeed last year we had 50% losses over a four month period, and in other years have seen eggs not hatching at all. Through our cameras we are lucky enough to be able to glimpse into and learn more about the lives of these wild birds, and would urge everyone to appreciate the opportunity it gives us to learn more about this insight into nature in the raw. It’s understandable that young children become engaged with these birds and then may be upset when one dies. As one commenter said, we hope this will help them understand that life can indeed be tough.<br /><br />It may surprise some people to know that peregrines and other birds of prey are not popular with everyone. Indeed they are still persecuted in a number of parts of the UK, including Derbyshire, despite having the highest protection under the law. We all know they take a very wide range of prey species, including pigeons in all their forms. For anyone breeding pigeons for race or display it’s inevitable they see peregrines and sparrowhawks as one factor affecting their sport, and I’m sure we can all appreciate their frustration. We recently received a comment from a local pigeon man, much of which is reproduced below, which clearly demonstrates the strength of feeling that others have, even though they may not accord with our own. The Project Team do not have plans to remove the peregrine nest platform, and would point out that these birds came to Derby Cathedral and made it their home on their own volition, just as we know others have done in centuries past. But maybe we should ask for everyone to take care with their choice of words, perhaps expressing a little less glee whenever a prey item – whether it’s a golden plover or a pigeon – is brought back for food. This is nature at work – but sometimes it is seen as coming into conflict with what humans do.<br /><br /> "I am a pigeon fancier who after 30 years of flying birmingham roller performing pigeons have been forced to give the hobby up due to consistent attacks from these peregrines.I have recorded them takeing 27 of my birds since christmas with all other members getting the same with people also packing the hobby in due to the problems caused by the peregrines. i would like to say i am a bird lover and do admire birds of prey especially the peregrine but its the do gooders who have put this box up on derby cathedral that have spoilt our hobby by encorouging them to breed there.If they were wild peregrines comeing from somewhere like a quarry i could except that.we have complained but it has got us nowhere.."<br /><br />We don’t think our blog is an appropriate forum in which to debate the issue of birds of prey and pigeons – and clearly we recognise they are taken from time to time - but this has been well researched and covered elsewhere by the UK Raptor Working Group. E.g.: http://ow.ly/1Ki64 and http://ow.ly/1Ki4B <br /><br />For this reason the moderators won’t be encouraging further debate here on this blog, especially as in the past this has tended to become somewhat overheated with language unsuitable for our wide and often young audiences. We will make this clearer when we update our prey list later in the year – now totalling around fifty different species.<br /><br />The Project TeamPeregrine Project Member (Nick M.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08206815980511978659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-68915929715461388242010-05-12T20:41:26.392+01:002010-05-12T20:41:26.392+01:00Are we sure that Mr P is the same Mr P of last yea...Are we sure that Mr P is the same Mr P of last year. Have they both been positively identified? He does not seem to be taking great care of the food supply. Mrs P has hardly been away from the nest and is constantly looking around and restless. She must be very hungry herself. Has Mr P been seen keeping the chicks warm in the last 48 hours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-33376482007729769982010-05-12T20:20:24.607+01:002010-05-12T20:20:24.607+01:0020.16 mum is feeding the chicks again, they all se...20.16 mum is feeding the chicks again, they all seem to getting their sharepax(Canada)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-68393148231666993732010-05-12T20:14:49.948+01:002010-05-12T20:14:49.948+01:00@Demelza Dad brings food and sometimes leaves it n...@Demelza Dad brings food and sometimes leaves it nearby for mum to get,but the mum will leave too and get food, as the chicks get bigger she will leave them alone more.pax(Canada)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-73552051065062507432010-05-12T20:11:38.876+01:002010-05-12T20:11:38.876+01:00@ Tracy: Yes, there's definitely a white mark ...@ Tracy: Yes, there's definitely a white mark on the sitting adult's head (falcon? - I'm not sure!)<br />Re the dead chick, if you read my comment earlier, and Dutch Eagle Fan's and Phoebe's too, you'll know what's happened to it.<br />There seems a definite shortage of food, and the sitting parent is very restless, looking up & around quite a lot. The other adult went to the tower not long ago & I hoped it was to pluck some prey, but alas, no.AnnieF.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12005659812540485097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-91013515973511506992010-05-12T20:02:30.045+01:002010-05-12T20:02:30.045+01:00I don't know what the tiercel is up to, he was...I don't know what the tiercel is up to, he was on the tower then came close to the cam, now he has gone and the falcon keeps looking up and out, I hope is is out hunting for supper.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-84356503229933018342010-05-12T20:02:30.046+01:002010-05-12T20:02:30.046+01:00AnnieF and DutchEagleFan, I think you were right, ...AnnieF and DutchEagleFan, I think you were right, I thought the dead chick was being fed to the others too.<br />I hope it didn't die of something that could harm the other chicks. I suppose this cold spell is making other food sources harder to come by.KerrySuffolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11215130373373317060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-2945359847888107672010-05-12T19:42:58.828+01:002010-05-12T19:42:58.828+01:00@ Dutch Eagle, I put some photos on Flickr on the ...@ Dutch Eagle, I put some photos on Flickr on the dead chiack being removed, I didn't see a feed after that but don't think it was fed to the others.Phoebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04284500199021475114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-29140744589705960182010-05-12T19:22:39.458+01:002010-05-12T19:22:39.458+01:00Just watching webcam and thought I noticed a mark ...Just watching webcam and thought I noticed a mark on Mum's head !<br /><br />Any up date on dead chick and mum would be great...apols for asking, I'm sure you are very busy at DWT.Tracynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-24291358289331841762010-05-12T19:16:54.387+01:002010-05-12T19:16:54.387+01:00I think the dead chick was fed to the three remain...I think the dead chick was fed to the three remaining one this afternoon, by the male.Time was around 17.45 Derby time.Dutch Eagle Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04715209892496555060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-517644049991406941.post-16562667307478043712010-05-12T18:57:15.218+01:002010-05-12T18:57:15.218+01:00I am new at watching the falcons. It just doesn...I am new at watching the falcons. It just doesn't seem that she is able to get food. Does the male bring food? It doesn't seem they are getting enough..Demelzanoreply@blogger.com